Faith-Based Charities Unconstitutional, says the father of the Constitution and Bill of Rights
[Editor's Note: someone should send this to Bush and those who are pulling his strings, or better yet the opposition, or is there none anymore?]
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Researched by Jim Allison
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February 21, 1811
Veto Messages
To the House of Representatives of the United States:
Having examined and considered the bill entitled "An act incorporating the Protestant Episcopal Church in the town of Alexandria, in the District of Columbia," I now return the bill to the House of Representatives, in which it originated, with the following objections:
Because the bill exceeds the rightful authority to which governments are limited by the essential distinction between civil and religious functions, and violates in particular the article of the Constitution of the United States which declares that "Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.'' The bill enacts into and establishes by law sundry rules and proceedings relative purely to the organization and polity of the church incorporated, and comprehending even the election and removal of the minister of the same, so that no change could be made therein by the particular society or by the general church of which it is a member, and whose authority it recognizes. this particular church, therefore, would so far be a religious establishment by law, a legal force and sanction being given to certain articles in its constitution and administration. Nor can it be considered that the articles thus established are to be taken as the descriptive criteria only of the corporate identity of the society, inasmuch as this identity must depend on other characteristics, as the regulations established are generally unessential and alterable according to the principles and canons by which churches of that denomination govern themselves, and as the injunctions and prohibitions contained in the regulations would be enforced by the penal consequences applicable to a violation of them according to the local law.
[Emphasis added]Because the bill vests in the said incorporated church an authority to provide for the support of the poor and the education of poor children of the same, an authority which, being altogether superfluous if the provision is to be the result of pious charity, would be a precedent for giving to religious societies as such a legal agency in carrying into effect a public and civil duty.
James Madison.
Source of Information: A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, Vol. II, Bureau of National Literature, NY, pp 474-475
Editor's Note: Madison vetoed the legislation because it crossed the line of separation between church and state and thus would be a precedent for giving to religious societies as such a legal agency in carrying into effect a public and civil duty.
See also:
- February, 1811
(Three vetoes, and debates in Congress as they failed to override them) Some of The First Official Meanings Assigned to The Establishment Clause
- January 29, 2001
President Bush and "Faith-based" Initiatives: AU Report And Answers To Frequently Asked Questions
- February 21, 2001
The Dark Side of "Faith-Based Initiatives"
Authority Gets No Respect: The Unspoken Fear Behind Faith-Based Initiatives, by Ira Chernus.
Ira Chernus is a professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder and a writer for the History News Service.
- Spring 2001
Motive for Bush's Faith-based Initiatives Is Unclear
- February 20, 2001
The Bush "Faith-Based" Initiative: Why It's Wrong
- March 2001
James Madison And Church-State Separation
What God Has Put Asunder: James Madison Quotes On Church And State
- March 16, 2001
Celebrating Madison at 250: Father of the Constitution opposed Tax Funding of Religion
- November 10, 2001
"Compassionate Conservatism" Goes To War by Ira Chernus
- January 7, 2002
United States District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin, Opinion and Order 00-c-617-c: Federal Court Halts Public Funding of Faith Works
See the full decision: 00-C-617-C-01-07-02
- January 9, 2002
Federal Court Halts Public Funding of Faith Works: FFRF Wins First Court Victory in Nation against Faith-Based Funding
- January 9, 2002
Taxpayer Funding of "Faith-based" Social Services Violates Constitution, Says Federal Court Wisconsin Decision Is Major Blow To Bush "Faith-Based Initiative," Says AU's [Americans United] Lynn
- January 10, 2002
Faith-based Funding Costing Taxpayers Unparalleled Sums Statement by Freedom From Religion Foundation on Legal Victory against Public Funding of "Faith-based" Agencies
- July 29, 2002
Funds to Faith Works Ruled Constitutional Judge Says People on Probation, Parole Choose to Take Part
- September 2002
Bush End Running Congress, Pushing Faith-Based Funding Programs As Use Of Tax Money By Churches Grows
- October 10, 2002
The Texas Faith-Based Initiative at Five Years: Warning Signs as President Bush Expands Texas-Style Program to National Level
Texans Tell Nation: President Bush's Faith-Based Initiative a Bust
- November 17, 2002
Faith Based "Care" Dies in Flurry of Amendments, Delays
- December 20, 2002
Bush Expands Faith-Based Initiative Funding as Clergy, Supporters Applaud "Level Playing Field."
- December 30, 2002
Bush's Charitable Decisions
- December 30, 2002
Using tax dollars for churches
- January 14, 2003
Ashcroft touts faith-based plan amidst protestors in Denver
- January 28, 2003
Bush Plan to Subsidize "Faith-based" Drug Treatment Threatens Church-state Separation, Says Watchdog Group
- January 28, 2003
President to Propose New Faith-Based Initiative in State of the Union; ACLU Says Plan Would Jeopardize Quality of Care for Neediest Americans
- January 29, 2003
Bush-Backed Addiction Programs Promote Religion, Shouldn't Get Public Funds, Says AU
- January 29, 2003
Bush's Agenda Walks the Church-State Line
- January 29, 2003
2 Faith-Based Proposals May Face Legal Challenge
- January 29, 2003
Bush Plan to use Public Money for Church Construction
- January 30, 2003
ACLU Says Latest Faith-Based Bill Supports White House Push For Taxpayer-Funded Discrimination
- February 5, 2003
ACLU Warns Against Framework Bill For Taxpayer-Funded Religious Discrimination
- February 9, 2003
Religious Indoctrination Dressed up as Social Welfare
- February 12, 2003
"Faith-based" Rehabilitation Program in Iowa Prison Merges Religion, Government, Says Americans United Lawsuits
- February 12, 2003
Why Americans United Challenged The Iowa InnerChange Program-- Some Questions And Answers
- Overview & Summation:
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